foreign [Music] but I recently did a podcast um with Ashu so busy and that was really cool um so that was a exciting times as well and yeah John talked to me how was last week how was knowledge 2023 in Vegas um I'm being disrupted by one of my chickens it just laid an egg so it's got to tell the world it's just going crazy anyways last week knowledge um I had a really good time overall I I really enjoyed it it probably been what like five years since I'd been to one and uh so it was good to get back into knowledge you know and I will say I'm pretty irritated about the lack of swag from servicenow that had been prevalent in all the previews this year's like especially the backpack no backpack this year that made me quite sad they did do this like if you go to certain number of booths and you take a photo you get a tote bag or a hoodie so I ended up getting a hoodie nice yeah yeah that's kind of makes me have to be way more social than I already yeah yeah I said tell me about tell me about your experience how was it on the floor what workshops did you go to or Labs did you go to maybe a session that you saw maybe still there with me um the Expo floor was was yeah I'm still here are you there yeah okay um I feel like the floors you know I think the last time I'd been to knowledge was in Vegas so it was all pretty pretty similar definitely you know a different setup I think there was a lot more centralized uh servicenow stuff right there as soon as you walk in um it it did feel a little bit not maybe not filled out as much as they could you know when you were walking into the Expo Center it felt kind of empty on the left side right when you walk in there was some stuff there but it just seemed very open over there and then as you got around to the uh uh partner booths and and other booths it definitely was filled in quite a bit um and it made for easy navigation I guess because you really just kind of looped around back to the entrance um I guess from my point of view the sessions weren't nearly as um good for me like I know other people found a lot of usefulness out of like you know there was a lot of uh stuff around Ai and automation stuff like that but for someone who does a lot of portal stuff which just wasn't a lot there I think uh Maria had I went to uh a lab from Maria five names okay she's awesome she rocked it she did a lab on why you you know why to use or why should you use uh angular providers and she did a really good job there I was really that was really a fun one to go to she even called me out in it amazing yeah it was pretty good no I really had a good time um I went to one lab this one kind of was disappointing they they weren't using a PDI to do any of the lab it was all kind of uh they were going to use figma and um what was the lab before I don't know I uh some ux stuff I was I was looking into ux UI labs and I was hopeful for this one but I just I didn't even make it all the way through because I there wasn't a compelling interaction there you know what I mean and so and I don't know if that's all UI ux stuff but man it just wasn't it wasn't something that was useful to me um and then there were others and I and I someone a client of ours was talking what's that look go ahead continue I was gonna say I was speaking with a client of ours who also noticed kind of uh the same thing I did but there were some sessions that uh the presenter came out right off the bat and said you know we we haven't even finished our road map yet we're kind of still in the beginning of it but they presented it as it was supposed to be a you know this is our journey but we're still in it we haven't completed it yet so that was kind of like really why are you presenting now you may not even finish this journey yeah definitely a safe harbor on that one yeah for sure how was uh I heard what about through the I heard through the grapevines you uh were at a hackathon how how was that what that's funny because I I heard that same Grapevine that you were there [Laughter] yeah so out of all the years I've been you know going all the way back to 2014. um this is my first hackathon so this was my first time doing one um I've always thought about doing them but just never got around to it this time uh my boss was like hey you're gonna do a hackathon with this and I'm like oh okay so we did one uh it was a neat experience I I'll have to say that the uh being subject to not only uh uh what's that game show anything of the name of Richard Dawson something or other Family Feud that's right uh being subject to Family Feud and then karaoke while we're trying to build a map I'm sorry Chuck you shouldn't try for aha songs those high notes are pretty high [Laughter] yeah thankfully I had a dinner at that time so I like skipped that part yeah right um but we we built an app uh for help in in uh scheduling nurses we called it TJ Booker for for those old enough to remember TJ hooker even though he was a cop and not a nurse but we got honorable mention so I'm pretty happy there with my first hackathon get an honorable mention that was kind of fun yeah and I heard like the difference between honorable mention and finalists and winner was like so small as well so we we could have almost won yeah yeah yeah for me like the floor like I agree with you when you walk into knowledge you're just like servicenow is like everywhere and like you're kind of like you know as a partner we're kind of like on the side and maybe that's okay and normal um but it was like hard to find our booth sometimes it was just like um lots of walking I I feel like I I walk so many miles yeah I was pulling just just under six miles a day wow wow um I I thought the sessions I went to one session the one on like your JavaScript zero or string zero that was cool it was like a little tidbit on uh and interactive on you know how to be more of a defensive programmer like it talks about like how zero um is is falsy right um so and how weird JavaScript is on handling empty strings or the string zero and and true yeah and how you're gonna like get into pitfalls and how like return objects of Glide record always return a string and so like needing to know that if you're gonna do an if on it um so it reminds me of like how how mine is always the like if it exists if the type of is not undefined like I'm just like constantly adding as many checks as I can where there's probably at least in the newer uh es12 there is easier ways to do that now so I think we're gonna start seeing more of that as um as that becomes more common in in the development space of of essentially better checks of if something is true or false or empty or not so it was a good talk uh yeah I can't I can't remember his name sorry um but it was a really cool talk I sat next to Jace it was great Jason even recognized me in person I said nice to meet you in person and he was like who are you yeah I was like I was on a video with you like a month ago so James we did we did a podcast together come on yeah that was you know that was probably one part about about knowledge is seeing all the people that I haven't I haven't seen in like five years of course these lawn mowers are out now um anyways yeah so being able to get pictures from people I met Tim I I have never met Tim in person before so that was fun um and just yeah just getting to see people that I haven't seen in years was awesome yeah I mean I saw co-workers I never saw in person right like so every time we see all that you work with for the first time yeah I mean it was the first time and we met in person too yeah yeah we we also did a podcast while we were there for the people that were like really fast but it got taken down you tried we tried to do a podcast you know walking like the promise is the the internet there wasn't like perfect in every spot and so like you would like it would cut in or uh it would cut in and out like I think I would have had to buy like super satellite internet and like walk around the conference to do like a really good one yeah seriously have like high-end equipment and uh super fast hockey puck to get internet throughout the entire and spoke more but we did try we tried we were talking about doing one and we did start it but yeah it did not come out well yeah um and I also did a fun session on RPA so that was cool because normally RPA you need like a VM or a Windows machine and you need like a bunch of stuff installed on the Windows machine you need the plugins installed on your instance so they had like a PDI set up to to play with RPA and it was cool it's kind of like your UI path your life browser testing kind of thing and I was able to go to the RPA challenge.com and fill out the form so uh shout out to whoever has gone to that website to play around with RPA and and yeah and then yeah I agree with you John I think meeting people was probably the the best part about that um an expensive way to meet people but uh it's so true that's what kind of you know after going a few times that's kind of what it turns into is you start networking a lot more than than really looking at the uh um the sessions you're going to go to because uh it's more eventful meeting the people and talking to them and you know I got to meet some of our clients that I'd only ever been on calls with so I think it's just one of those things where it's the personal interaction is is rates way higher yeah yeah totally yeah and I think so I went to the one last year into hog and it was cool to meet people on in Europe and it was cool to now meet people in the US right so yeah yeah and speaking of that you you know who you know who found me well I think we were together when he when he came up was Arnold we were talking to someone and he he popped over and started talking to us that was a shout out I was shout out to arnid yeah and we did some 3D printing we were right next to the 3D printer uh we got some coasters and some pins yeah that was you know that was kind of fun to see that work they they also had like a fun little like um like flow designer escape room where you had to like they had like a UI that you had to like follow hints and then like once you found the hinge you had to go to another instance and like fix the flow and then like kind of come back to it would like progress the story so it's kind of like a little like how to navigate flow how to do some tests and flow and a little bit of like you know escape room so nice nice yeah and so now John and I are both in Salt Lake as you can see his beautiful cars behind not quite I'm further north the district the District of Salt Lake or five we're both in Utah all right we're both that's right we're both in Utah yeah um and we wanted to keep this short just to give you a high level if there is a website that a lot of the content from knowledge is on um let me see if if I can bring if I can bring that up we got a pretty good question though did you see that question about generative AI oh yeah what's the question uh is generative AI going to take servicenow Developer jobs so I don't think so so Safe Harbor right um we got to see some a peek into some of the Vancouver stuff um with generative Ai and what the first thing that they're doing is essentially enabling more spokes to work with AI models so like that's kind of the step one for servicenow is like hey you want to use Chachi BT you want to use Azure AI you want to use you know whatever they're trying to use integration Hub to to go and collect that information um so is it going to replace no if anything it's going to help our jobs a lot like to be able to do code reviews to be able to to help you point to documentation a lot quicker like I think that's where it's going to really Shine the most you know I I and I agree with that I whenever anyone asks me about AI it's always currently and I'll say that now currently it is definitely a tool to use to either help you do things faster like you know I use it to help come up with um functions and methods in uh es12 because it's not you know I'm very used to es5 but es12 is new to me and so I like to write things more efficiently so I'm I'm always asking chat GPT how to write a function in es12 um and then occasionally I'll be like yeah I need that same function of es5 though so to me it's a great it's a great way to speed up your development time but I think with the generative stuff I think what I see is enabling a lot of those citizen developers to do more things um and branching into code based things versus staying low code or no code and not really I guess growing in that in that way yeah it's interesting I think one of our podcasts John what we should do is do the experience in like Studio like you do the experience in studio I do it in low code no code and see who can like you know get it quicker because I it takes me forever yeah well yeah I mean we could flip you could have whichever one you want but recently I was I was working in studio and I I had to build a simple table with some columns and rows and and I realized it took me like maybe an hour hour and a half and um to to get it where I wanted and I'm like I probably could have done this in 10 minutes in uh app engine and so I think that would be a fun one to do yeah yeah so I think to answer the question I don't see uh AI generative AI taking our jobs anytime soon now that six months six to 12 months yeah six to 12 months six to twelve months that's that's how far our Horizon goes yeah cool right depends on the exponential growth of AI in that time to see what happens yeah cool any uh any tidbits like what's one thing you would tell new people that go to knowledge every year like what's the what's the one thing that advice get comfortable shoes um I think I think the thing is you know especially for anyone who belongs to SN devs or on Tim's uh Discord Channel seek out those people you've talked to you know set something up to meet them meet the people um because it's it's again I think the personal interaction is a huge a huge component of this ecosystem you know it's a big thing but you know prepare to to be in in sessions and Labs all day long you know it's it's a full day deal and there's a lot of good information that can be found but it's it's sometimes can be a little hit or miss yeah for for me my advice is like it's not about going to knowledge with the problem that you're having like go to knowledge with the open mind that you can learn a bunch of stuff really like easily and you get to talk to The Experts of that like I don't work a lot in RPA but I got to take an RPA lab right and it's like you get that container of assistance and help that you want to to safely explore you know some of the cool stuff that service now is doing if you've been thinking about virtual agents right and you haven't had the time it's like great do it at knowledge so you can get the support you need as well as learning it so yeah and and one more piece of advice don't be afraid to um show up to a lab recession that you didn't sign up for um because you may be able to get in uh because not everyone shows up but there's always a chance don't think that just because you didn't get signed up for it you can't ever get into it yep cool all right so John how the chicken's doing last last thing uh they're pretty good they're doing all right I'm they're just moving around we need to get one on the show yeah I should um when they when a chicken lays an egg they want to tell the world about it and that's what they'll do so they'll lay an egg and then they'll come out squawking for about five minutes to make sure everyone knows that they laid an egg amazing they almost they almost sound like roosters they're so loud it's crazy yeah perfect well thanks it's been fun John we're gonna we're gonna get back into more of a routine so hopefully you guys yes yes all right